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inspirational anymore, he's just a fledgling actor. >> you've got to hand it to the comics at the fox press office. they actually could have their own show. it would be like "30 rock" because they cut it up every single night. and it's just a laugh a minute. it's just -- it's funny in how they try and stretch this stuff to pretending like the stories hang together. >> the only thing where the press releases where the quotes are anonymous. nobody puts their names. they don't have the courage to put their names to this crap. it's hilarious. one journalistic question here, not that fox believes it is bound by journalistic rules, if she said i interviewed ll cool j, that would be beyond the pale. but implying it, is that legitimate, even at fox news? >> the promo is one thing. but the idea that she talked to people, that they are guests in
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a lineup isn't just about a marketing trick here. but in particular, you know "the new york times" has latched on to something that was in fox nation which apparently does have something to do with fox news, it takes this whole idea of promotion to another level. so, yeah, it would be nice if the real american stories were somehow real. >> whose great idea was it by the way to launch sarah palin on tv on april fools' day? >> you know, every day is april fool's day. it's a bit like i wish it could be christmas every day, but it is april fool's day all the time on fox news, especially for people who watch it. >> last question, is she going to use a teleprompter? >> you know, only dead fish go with the flow, and only dead fish read teleprompters. >> i'm reading a teleprompter and i remember the day you did this show you did, too. >> and i was pretty dead too. >> so, richard wolffe. >> that wasn't a joke.
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>> richard wolffe, great thanks as always. >> thank you, keith. >> that's "countdown" this for the 2,526th day since the previous president declared mission accomplished in iraq, i'm keith olbermann, good night and good luck. now the story to impeach a state attorney general who will not sue over health care, plus the latest on drill, obama, drill. ladies and gentlemen, here is rachel maddow. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, keith. and happy anniversary. >> thank you very kindly. thanks to you at home for tuning in, we have recently been covering on this show plans to commemorate the 15th anniversary of the oklahoma city bombing by timothy mcveigh with an armed anti-government march on washington. turns out those plans have doubled. that story is ahead, along with our special guest, the attorney general of the state of georgia, who faces impeachment charges in his state because he said that state lawsuits against health reform are pointless and frivolous and he won't waste georgia taxpayer dollars doing
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it. plus the words committee and comedy are even more like each other, when the committee in question is the republican national committee. tonight we bring you part two of the scandal over the party of sexual moralizing approving expenditures at a scantily-clad lady bondage theme nightclub. lots to get to. but first, do you remember when there was pretty genuine bipartisan support in this country for the idea of closing down the prison at guantanamo? do you remember that? a few years ago, everyone basically agreed that guantanamo needed to be shut down. barack obama was in favor of that, john mccain was in favor of that, george w. bush was in favor of that. then something weird happened. then barack obama became president, he adopted the idea, he actually tried to do it. tried to take the steps to close guantanamo, and republicans balked. they turned against something they used to be for. they started talking about president obama wanting to let terrorists loose in your
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neighborhood. do you remember that? well, after that, the health reform battle came along. and again, republicans started arguing against something that they used to be for. in the case of health reform, that something was their idea in the first place. the idea of an individual mandate so that people have to buy health insurance. that's a republican idea. that was the republican alternative to president clinton's health reform proposal in the '90s. it was the basis of mitt romney's health reform plan in massachusetts. chuck grassley said he supported as recently as last year. then president obama adopted the idea and republicans started attacking it as unconstitutional. they turned against something they used to be for. then congress started debating the idea of creating a bipartisan deficit commission and it looked like that was going to pass. until seven republicans, who used to support that idea, changed their minds. and backed out, after president
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obama said he wanted to adopt it. they turned against something they used to be for. same thing with pay go, the pay as you go budgeting rules for congress. this was something republicans had said they were for, but after president obama adopted the idea and actually proposed it, republicans turned against it. they're against something they used to be for. well, that's the back drop against which today president obama came out and officially adopted yet another republican idea. >> today we're announcing the expansion of offshore oil and gas exploration. my administration will consider potential areas for development in the mid and south atlantic and the gulf of mexico. >> offshore oil and gas drilling. as you probably recall, this is something that was not only a republican idea, but a rather unimaginative republican chant throughout the presidential election campaign in 2008. during the national convention, you might recall. you would have been forgiven for
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thinking john mccain was running solely on a drill now platform. >> the right course is the one championed by ronald reagan 30 years ago and by john mccain and sarah palin today. the immediate drilling for more oil off our shores. >> he'll do it with an all of the above approach, including nuclear power, and, yes, offshore oil drilling. drill, baby, drill. drill, baby, drill. >> we will drill new wells off shore and we'll drill them now. >> let me make it very clear. drill, baby, drill, and drill now. >> now that president obama has come out in favor of that, what do you think the republican response is? naturally, the top republican in the house, john boehner, blasted the idea, saying, quote, the obama administration continues to defy the will of the american people.
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john boehner saying that even though the president's in favor of offshore drilling now, he's obviously not in favor of it enough. the number three house republican, mike pence, also blasted the decision today, saying the president's announcement today is a smokescreen. unfortunately this is yet another feeble attempt to gain votes for the president's national energy tax bill that is languishing in the senate. now, not all republicans have reacted like this today. the president appears to have bamboozled republicans a bit actually by giving them what they said they wanted. alongside the negative reactions from people like john boehner and mike pence came mildly positive statements from senate minority leader mitch mcconnell, senator lindsey graham, senator john mccain and even senator james inhofe. but man does not govern by press release alone. the real question is whether obama's big concession to republicans on policy means that he will actually get republican votes for his energy bill. the white house obviously hopes
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that will be the case. in leaking this news to "the new york times" last night, administration officials who did not want to be named said that the announcement was intended to among other things win political support for comprehensive energy and climate legislation. john kerry, whose job it is to get that legislation through the senate, tried to be optimistic about this today as well. his office saying, quote, in the difficult work of putting together a 60-vote coalition, senator kerry has put aside his own long-time policy objections and has been willing to explore potential energy sources off our coasts. here's a question, though. senator kerry and president obama willing to put away their long-time stated objections to this republican idea. in exchange for what? last month president obama gave into another republican energy demand, cleared the way for more nuclear power plants to be built in this country. in exchange for what?
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it's one thing to be willing to compromise on specific things in order to make a bill good enough to pass. but that only makes sense if you are getting something in exchange for making that bill less perfect. what are president obama and democrats getting here exactly? joining us now is chris hayes, the washington editor for "the nation" magazine. chris, thanks very much for joining us. really appreciate your time. >> thank you, rachel. >> so in health reform, democrats took stuff like single payer off the table before the negotiations really even began. this time around on climate change, they've given in on nuclear power, they've given in on offshore drilling. why start out making concessions in exchange for nothing from the other side? >> well, that's a fine question. i -- i'm sort of with you on this. i think the most charitable interpretation possible is that the president is a real believer in honest negotiation, and time and time again, he is going to try to will that to be the case.
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will those to be the facts of the matter, that he is dealing in a situation of honest, good faith negotiation. and so as to deal in that situation, he acts as if those conditions obtained, and he gives those good faith expectations up front and expect the magical negotiation fairy will show up and prompt the republicans to act in good faith. so far that has never been reciprocated. the other interpretation that's just poor politics and malpractice. >> the magical negotiation fairy is someone i have long believed in. >> yes. >> who gave me quarters in change for my teeth as a child. we had a strange family. >> you settle the on price. >> it makes sense to be doing it this way, if it hadn't worked out so poorly in health reform. >> right. >> surely health reform passed, right? and that's the bottom line, and maybe that's all they care about. but the democrats spent months, essentially an entire year,
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chasing republican votes and watering down the bill and they ended up putting the bill together with only democratic support in the end anyway. having done a ton of work, wasted a lot of time and lost support from their base in doing so. isn't that the lesson from health reform? >> you and i think that's the lesson, and in fact i think the lesson of health care reform is go with reconciliation and use it from the beginning. this is -- cap and trade is a revenue bill. most of it can be done through reconciliation. the lesson is all of a sudden you have eight votes to play with. i will say this in their favor. in this case if you're not going to do reconciliation, it's 59-vote scenario. and unlike health care reform, you do have lindsey gram who is a co-signer on the legislation currently. that is the big difference. there was never any republican. i don't know if lindsey graham is going to be voting for this thing, but there was never republican similarly headlining health care reform. so they can make a plausible case there's more of an area for bipartisan cooperation here.
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>> bipartisan cooperation. talk about a magical fairy, bipartisan cooperation here. republican response to this today was all over the map. john boehner slamming president obama for defying the will of the people, those moderately positive statements from mcconnell, graham and from john mccain. do you think that the strategy makes sense at all if republicans ultimately don't vote for this? if this doesn't produce a lindsey graham vote? is there some broader way in which this is the way the president wants to look to the american people, and he wants to make republicans look unreasonable. >> right. so the other interpretation is exactly that, right? politically the idea is you're constantly extending an olive branch and you're constantly getting slapped in the face. you do that enough, the american people realize who is the one operating in good faith, who is the one operating in bad faith. that might be good for the president's approval ratings, but it produces bad legislation. and more insidiously, it moves the center of debate to the
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right. we've seen this time and time again. if you step to the right and they step to the right, the center moves to the right. so all of a sudden, like guantanamo, where things particularly in the national security state, centerist ideas like we shouldn't torture or we should close guantanamo, in moving toward them you shift parameters of the conversation over. we ended up with a center-right health care bill. romney care essentially for the whole united states. you worry that's going to be the end result of this sort of ideological feint here with climate change. >> i think that fits with the dynamic of the country, scooting to the right, even with democrats in charge, is that this really was the president -- the administration giving the democrat party's base the back of the hand today. they not only didn't fight for what environmentalists would have wanted him to fight for, the administration preemptively gave it up for nothing.
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do they not care what the base thinks? do they see political advantage actively in messing with the base like this? >> this is known as punch the hippy strategy. it's always applauded here in washington, because there's this bizarre kind of -- i don't know what it is about this town, they hate the left, they hate liberals, progressives. if you're bashing them, you must be doing something right. it is a legislative problem for them. there are ten democratic senators along that coastline that got opened up for drilling today and they're not happy campers. at the end of the day, rahm emanuel and the white house's calculation is you'll take it and you'll like it because at the end of the day you are going to come around and vote. it's hard to think they're wrong after the health care battle. at the end of the day, every progressive member of the house, progressive caucus, voted for that bill, even though they signed a letter in the beginning seeing they wouldn't vote without a public option. the calculation from the white house in the beginning was it doesn't matter what we give away, at the end of the process they'll be there to vote for us. coming off health care, it's hard to think they're making the wrong calculation. >> what we ended up with, two
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terms of the clinton administration, which is that bill clinton was probably the best republican president the country ever had, if you look at the policies he passed. chris hayes, washington editor for the "nation" thank you for your time tonight. >> happy birthday. >> oh, thank you, cheers. we'll just say they're talking about "countdown." it's "countdown's" birthday. right. so barack obama offshore drilling enthusiast all of a sudden. how did that really happen? as chris was just alluding to, how did it shift so far to the right, that ending a decade's long ban on offshore drilling is now being called a centerist position. sometimes when you peek behind the curtain there's a multi zillion aira framing the scene. turns out that's true here. that's next. please stay with us. great. come.
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koch industries, it's k-o-c-h. as you can see there, but it's pronounced koch. they're the second largest priflly owned company in the country. they're involved in different parts of the oil industry, petroleum refining, chemicals, crude oil supply wholesale marketing of fuels, base oils, petrochemicals, asphalt. and other products. what else is koch industries involved in? they spent nearly $25 million
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funding organizations that are trying to convince you that the environment's fine. that the data that shows the world keeps getting hotter, that's just mumbo jumbo. don't pay any attention to that. one of the biggest recipients of koch industries benif sense has been americans for prosperity foundation. they got over $5 million from koch foundations between 2005 and 2008. it's a helpful explanatory reminder, actually, because americans for prosperity may be familiar to you. it may be a name you've heard because they organized a lot of the anti-health reform stuff. they were the big bloody hand print, hands off our health care stuff. remember? even at the igt of the anti-health reform hubbub, when you went to the americans for prosperity website, lo and behold it wasn't all about health care. it was this awkward thing i could never put my finger on during that whole -- the whole fight over health reform and all
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the things they were organizing. when you went to their website at that time, you would find the website, despite all the things they were doing in public, was still totally dominated by pro-oil, global warming is bunk messaging. everything from praising opposition to cap and trade policies, to be afraid, be afraid, hyperventilating about an environmental protection agency, global warming power grab. they've been promoting something they call a regulation reality tour. and, of course, their hot air tour, a nationwide gimmick launched in 2008, complete with a hot air balloon, by which they preached against climate change hysteria and the evils of cap and trade. americans for prosperity bills itself as an organization of grassroots leaders, they say, who engage citizens in the name of limited government and free markets on the local, state and federal levels. but, it's an organization founded by the executive vice
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president of koch industries, david koch who is also the chairman of the americans for prosperity foundation and the 19th richest man in the world. and the ninth richest man in america. which means he is a very, very specific kind of grassroots leader. over three years, koch industries gave $5 million to a fake grassroots organizations that one of its owners founded. or at least to foster the appearance of popular sentiment against doing anything about global warming. it should be noted that in 2008 koch centuries spent more than any other energy company, more than exxon, more than chevron, on campaign trixs. over $1.8 million. 88% of it, to republicans. and koch centuries did not stop with president obama's election. so far this current campaign cycle, employees, family members and organizations affiliated with koch industries have
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offered over $900,000 of campaign contributions including $2,000 to mike pence, $12,500 to john boehner's campaign committee and $15,000 to minority whip eric cantor's committees, all of whom, you might notice, reacted to president obama's pro drilling announcement today by saying the president is still not president is still not pro drilling enough. joining us now is james hogan, co-founder of desmog.com. the desmog blog reported on research by greenpeace which traced koch, also the author of "climate coverup, the crusade to deny global warming," also president of the public relations firm james hoggan and associates. mr. hoggan, thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you. >> how much influence does koch industries really have in the
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debate over climate change legislation in general and drilling specifically? >> well, back to 1997, 50 -- close to $50 million came from koch foundation, the koch foundation to 40 different organizations that are part of a network that we call an echo chamber of climate change denial. >> so over 13 years they spent $50 million. >> $50 million. >> trying to convince people that climate change isn't real. >> that's right, through these different organizations. the fact that there's 40 of them creates this unique situation where people hear this message about, you know, doubt about climate science from so many different organizations, that it becomes believable. and people in my business and the public relations business have known this for a long time, back to the days of philip morris, which is actually where
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some of these organizations and the techniques that they use began in the early '90s. philip morris started a group called the advancement of sound science coalition. and it was very, very carefully thought out public relations tactics that were used to shift the issues around tobacco off of health issue and on to sound science issues. and philip morris knew they couldn't do it by themselves, so they invited people like -- organizations like exxon and other fossil fuel companies to join them. and they -- it basically became the beginning of a campaign that a lot of these 40 different organizations that i was talking about earlier drew on to -- then it was tobacco, today it's -- it's greenhouse gases. >> but you're saying it's the same tactic in two ways, you use different organizations so you can't dismiss the one industry-funded group, trying to shoot down what everyone else
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thinks is true. but it's also taking on not only the policy issues of what the implications of the science, but attacking the science saying there's no real problem here, trying to make that a money issue. >> that's right. it undermines, it poisons public conversations. and it undermines public confidence in science, and it makes it difficult for even well-intended political leaders to actually do the right thing on these issues. and the trick in public relations is always repetition. you look for those projects where you can actually tell people something ten times, so they actually remember what you're talking about and there's more chance they're actually going to believe you. when you pour $50 million into 40 different organizations like this and koch centuries isn't the only funder. exxon and a number of other groups and companies are funding these -- these 40 climate change denier outfits, that is an incredibly powerful influence over public opinion. >> and that makes it an
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incredibly powerful influence over politics. are you optimistic there will be energy legislation this year? >> i am, but you know what? i think it's all going to come down to this, that people need to start to demand that political leaders and journalists start to ask these climate -- these so-called climate change skeptics some basic questions about who's funding them, and what their qualifications are. whether or not they're actually even climate scientists, or they're doing climate science. we've been looking at this for four years. it is really difficult to find a legitimate climate scientist who doesn't think that climate change is a problem. >> james hoggan, co-founder of desmog.com, author of "climate coverup, the crusade to deny global warming," thanks for helping us with this. i appreciate it. good to meet you. >> good to meet you. there's an impeachment threat against the attorney general of the great state of georgia. his allege id high crime or
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misdemeanor is he says it would be frivolous or fruitless to spend georgia taxpayers 'money suing the government over health reform. his name is therbert baker. i'm looking forward to this. please stay tuned. national car rental? that's my choice. because with national, i roll past the counter... and choose any car in the aisle. choosing your own car? now that's a good call. go national. go like a pro. vegetables are naturally low in calories. now that's a good call. v8 juice gives you 3 of your 5 daily servings.
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we're going to continue to fight to repeal this thing. >> on january 3, we'll start working for repeal, and we'll do it with all of you. >> we need to lead the largest
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repeal movement in the history of this country. >> you know that's actually not going to happen. if you hate health reform and someone asks you for money because they say they're going to repeal health reform, that person is ripping you off. they really can't repeal it. i mean, some republicans are even admitting that now. >> what you have to do is be politically honest. if the republicans win a majority in the house and senate next year, they will not be able to repeal the bill, the president would veto it. >> we should replace it with solutions that would work. obviously the president will not sign a repeal bill that the congress passes, so that's more of a symbol. >> sure, that's more of a symbol. republican senator bob corker of tennessee got even more blunt about it today, telling an audience at vanderbilt university, quote, that's not going to happen, okay? okay. despite the impossibility
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problem that they're running up against with the we'll repeal it fundraising drive, some other opponents of health reform are trying out another futile, purely symbolic political stunt in order to dramatize how much they hate health reform. they want to sue the government to try to get health reform overturned. now, no one seriously thinks these lawsuits have any chance of success. for example, when the university of washington tried last night to host a debate between legal experts on whether or not health reform is constitutional, they couldn't find anyone to take the, it's unconstitutional side. even legal experts who didn't like health reform conceded that the lawsuits against it are pointless. because the lawsuits are widely believed to be legally pointless, the state attorneys general who are bringing these suits are feeling pressure about how much taxpayers' money they're willing to spend on something that has no point. that's just a political stunt. for example, virginia's astounding new attorney ken the
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contract cuch" cuccinelli released a statement saying that the lawsuit he was bringing to overturn health care was only expected to cost virginia taxpayers a total of $350. this is amazing. listen to this. quote, attorney general kenneth t. cuccinelli released the cost of the lawsuit his office launched against the federal file health care reform act. the court filing fee for the case was $350 there has been no additional cost above this amount as the litigation is being handled entire by by the attorney general's staff. wait a minute. the attorney general and his staff work for free? they're doing this one pro bono on their own time with their own office supplies, sitting in their cars at the parking lot, not while they're at work, having their salaries and expenses paid for by the good taxpayers of the state of virginia? amazing. absolutely amazing. even more amazing, though, is what's happening in the great
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state of georgia. georgia's republican governor sonny purdue wanted very badly to get in on the frivolous anti-health reform action, but his attorney general, thurbert baker refused. telling the governor in a letter, quote, considering the state's severe budgetary crisis with education and law enforcement being cut deeply, i cannot justify a decision to initiate expensive and time consuming litigation that i believe has no legal merit. in short, this litigation is likely to fail and will consume significant amounts of taxpayers' hard earned money in the process. georgia republicans, however, are not about to let themselves be deprived of their pointless symbolic tool of opposition to health reform. republicans in the state legislator in georgia drafted legislation to try to force the attorney general to file that lawsuit that he said was bound to fail and waste money. that bill failed twice. republican governor sonny purdue wasn't giving up on this pointless exercise either.
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the governor announced last week since the real attorney general in his state refused to sue the government over health reform, he intended to appoint a special attorney general just to file that lawsuit. but now it looks like republicans in the state house have one-upped even that move by georgia's governor. a republican legislator has introduced a resolution to impeach georgia's attorney general. to be clear, they want to impeach thurbert baker because he says he doesn't want to waste taxpayers money on a redundant frifgs lawsuit with no grounds for success. joining us for the interview is the attorney general of georgia mr. thurbert baker. mr. baker is also running for the democratic nomination of governor in his state. mr. attorney general thank you very much for coming on the show. >> glad to be here.
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thank you. >> the move on republicans to impeach you seems fairly symbolic. there are just a few days left in the legislative session. but even if it is just symbolic, what's your reaction to this? >> very surprising. you know, i've been the attorney general in this state for 13 years. i would have never thought that there would be an effort in the legislature of this state to impeach the sitting attorney general for doing his job. and, oh, by the way, for telling the truth. it makes no sense to me. at a time when we've got huge budget crisis here in georgia, when we're laying off teachers, when we're cutting back on school days, when we've got huge transportation and water issues, we can't find jobs, we've got a huge economy problem, we're spending time in these last few legislative days trying to figure out how to impeach the attorney general for saying that there is no basis to file this lawsuit. >> can you tell us briefly why you think there's no basis to file this lawsuit? why you decided that this wasn't worth your time?
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>> our governor asked me to take a look at the question and to file a lawsuit on behalf of georgia. i took a look at the constitution of the united states, i took a look at applicable law, i looked at all the claims being raised around the country. i could find absolutely no basis to file a lawsuit. we took a look at the commerce clause. commerce, the legislature has a broad expansive power when we talk about the commerce clause. there's been a lot of discussion about the government taxing and spending for this effort. listen. that question has been settled since 1937 in this country. congress absolutely has the power to do it. now, i understand that there is a lot of policy debate across this nation. i understand there are a lot of budgetary issues involved. we have those same issues here in georgia. but we should not confuse that with the right of the united states congress to enact the measure that it did. that was my answer to the governor. i don't think we have a basis
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for it, and if we're going to go down that road, in my opinion at least, we're going to be spending hard-earned taxpayer dollars in a time of budget crisis in this state. i couldn't justify doing it. >> let me ask you about an argument that i will admit to having just made fun of, the argument of virginia attorney general, ken cuccinelli, he is claiming that his lawsuit against the federal government to overturn health care will only cost $350. because that's what the filing fee is. to me, as you could tell in my introduction, i find that ridiculous. but as an attorney general of a state, does that argument from him make any sense to you? >> we filed a lot of lawsuits in my office. we've defended a lot of lawsuits in my office. it's impossible to have a lawsuit where there are no inherent costs. every time you are pulling employees away from their appointed duties to file a lawsuit and to engage in this kind of activity, there is going to be cost. lawyers don't work for free. not even lawyers who work in house. so i'm not aware of any way that a lawsuit can be filed, even if we do it in house, where it doesn't cost the taxpayer some
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money. we could have our lawyers off engaged in other areas that are going to be critical to the budget of this state, to talk about teachers and education. any of those areas where we could have our lawyers applied would be a better use of the employees and the staff. but i'm not aware of any way that you can do this without there being some inherent cost. >> me, neither, and i'm not a lawyer. mr. baker, let me also ask you about something that broke today that was new in this whole debate, that's that the attorney general of the state of oregon announced they will not sue the federal government over health reform, but that, rather, they will proactively defend the health bill in court. i wonder, if given your stance, if the oregon officials have reached out to you, if you would even consider joining their efforts to defend the bill. >> well, the oregon attorney general has not reached out to me. but i can almost understand what's going on. that governor and that attorney general looked at the same constitution that i looked at. they came away with the same
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conclusion. that, given the broad expansive powers of the federal government and its ability to enact laws, especially in this area, areas that impact interstate and intrastate commerce, that they came away with the same idea and the conclusion that i did. that there is no basis for moving in this direction. you know, so now they're going to move forward and try and assist the federal government in defending against these lawsuits. they must have came to the same conclusion that i did. >> mr. thurbert baker, the attorney general for the state of georgia for the past 13 years now, running for the democratic nomination for governor in georgia, thank you very much for your time tonight, sir. i really appreciate it. >> thank you. glad to be here with you. okay. what do an age 45 and under republican club called the young eagles, a naked lady nightclub called voyeur, and the defense contractor formerly known as blackwater have in common? turns out they have a lot in common. a perfect storm of ew is coming up after the break.
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in the wake of the revelation that the republican national committee spent almost $2,000 at a bondage-themed
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nightclub in west hollywood, "u.s. news and world report" posts a reminder today that the congressman who is head of the congressional campaign committee had a sexy time fund-raiser of his own. 2007 before pete sessions of texas held his leadership position in the republican party at the national republican campaign committee, in 2007, in trying to earn a few bucks for his own campaign fund, pete's pack, mr. sessions held a fund-raiser here at ivan cane's 40 deuce, a burlesque club in las vegas. that seems very nice. mr. session's pack spent more than $5,000 there. which i guess means in recent years the republican party has been way more libertarian in their fund-raising venues than in policy positions, which is ort of comforting and funny.
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speaking of, i have a correction to make, slightly embarrassing, about our earlier coverage of that club where the rnc spent two grand of its donor's money. it is a club called voyeur where ladies wear very little clothing for money. on monday night when we were talking about this story we showed you this logo, which made me unt comfortable to talk about. i'm sorry. it's just the way i am. the nice people at voyeur in san diego contacted us to say that when we were showing that logo, what we were actually showing was the logo for their voyeur club in san diego, where the ladies wear very little clothing, not the west hollywood voyeur club where the ladies wear very little clothing, which is where the rnc members had been enjoying on their donors' dime. what we should have shown you is this. a slightly different logo, which is still about a story that makes me stuter and fidget for which i'm sorry. the republican partying outing
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to the scantily clad lady place occurred after an rnc fund-raiser at the beverly hills hotel. it was a fund-raiser for a group of republicans under the age of 45 that the party calls the young eagles. they are young to the extent that they are under the age of 45. the young eagles director is named alison myers. she's so far the only person at the rnc to be punished for this scandal. she was fired this week. chairman michael steele, he whose desk is where the buck is supposedly going to stop, michael steele is still gainfully employed. so the work of the young eagles and their entire calendar of fundraising events is now in jeopardy. the rnc canceled all young eagle events until further notice. next month's gathering in north carolina at someplace called the innocuous u.s. training center. u.s. training center is in fact part of the security contractor company formerly known as
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blackwater. blackwater now goes by the name, we like to pronounce xe. black water, xe, is probably most famous for the legal battle stemming from an incident in baghdad in which employees gunned down 17 civilians. iraq ordered the company out of the country. there were reports we aired that one had been planned. at the time blackwater denied it. blackwater said the idea is back on and now the republican party post strip club gate is canceling the blackwater fund-raiser once again, which is i'm sure too bad. would have been a killer party. , and when you consider who will be riding with you, perhaps the question is not so much whether you can afford to drive a vehicle that is built this way but whether you can afford not to. the glk. the engineering of mercedes-benz. see your authorized mercedes-benz dealer for exceptional offers through mercedes-benz financial. ♪
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200 people showed up with a rally there with guns. they're part of a campaign to galvanize the courage and resolve of americans and to remind american that the second amendment is necessary to maintain our right to self-defense. that message coming to the second amendment march, open events all around the country describing the events as precursors to the big event which is a march in washington, d.c. on april 19. it's the anniversary of the first shots being fired in the revolutionary war in the battle of lexington and concord. april 19 significance has changed in recent memory because april 19 is also the anniversary of the oklahoma city bombing which killed 168 americans in the alfred p. murrah federal building. 15 years ago this april 19. the terrorist behind that date said he picked that date to
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attack the building because it was the day of the branch davidian fire at waco. he wanted to wage war with the united states of america starting with a federal attack with the federal building. you may be experiencing deja vu and saying, hey, wait, haven't you been reporting on the armed march on washington since last week? no. there's another march scheduled for the same day on the same place. there are two marches for people with guns this year. the event we've been talking about is the restore the constitution open carry rally. one of the three confirmed speakers will be this guy, the exalabama militiaman who tried to make himself famous by imploring people to throw bricks through the windows of democratic congressmen around the country. in virginia organizers believe it's legal to carry their guns to that event. it is not legal to carry guns in
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washington, d.c. so rallygoers will be bussed to this tiny little sliver of land on the virginia side of the potomac river. they're getting as close as they can get to the national mall in dc packing heat. we think the armed marchers in virginia may even be able to catch a glimpse of the other gun lover's valley that's happening over here on the grounds of the washington monument. that's being called the march. the participants on the dc side are going to be marching in place. they're not going anywhere. theoretically, they're not going to have their guns with them. as we confront the fact that the anniversary timothy mcveigh killed 168 americans has been picked by not one but two anti-gun rallies in washington, there's a certain disconnect between what the organizers describe as their peaceful motives and the tactics they are
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using to attract their targets. listen to one of the better organized marches in washington, d.c. is describing its aims in the radio ad. >> think back 18 months and answer these questions -- did you ever think the government would run general motors, did you ever think the government would control the private banking system? did you ever think the government debt would be measure in the trillions? all that has happened in one year's time. does it make you wonder about 2010. do you feel uneasy about your ane alienable write right to keep and bear arms? don't let them do it. >> it goes on to say the government is looming before us like a tidal wave threatening to wash away all remnants of freedom on the great land. they're not anti-government, they're defending the constitution from this government. you might be thinking this event sounds frin ji, but it will have a city member of congress. paul broun represents the tenth
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